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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Becraft [
mailto:becraft@hiwaay.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:10 PM
To: Bob Hurt
Subject: Re: regarding Teknosis article "Larry Becraft
analyzes the legal bases of Mercier's Invisible
Contracts"
Bob,
It would help if people just
first became familiar with some basics.
Read the constitutions and you
will not fall for such craziness as “the
courts are not established by
the constitutions.” Reading the
constitutions shows otherwise.
Reading statutes is also
important. I often encounter people alleging
that some state law states a
certain thing, but often when I turn to
that law, it is either
misquoted or wrong. We need to focus on accuracy.
Please go here:
http://www.truthattack.org/jml/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33&Itemid=35
This is a page on the Truth
Attack website that links to ALL the US
Statutes at Large (huge
files), and these files are word searchable.
This page also had
downloadable versions of the old and new federal tax
laws as well as links to State
constitutions and Codes.
I often detect people relying
on the opinions of others because they
cannot find cases. One place
to find US Supreme Court cases is here:
http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/supreme.html
Lower fed courts can be found
here:
http://openjurist.org/
If you want to download whole
versions of various titles of the US Code,
go here:
http://uscode.house.gov/download/downloadPDF.shtml
Larry
Bob Hurt wrote:
>
> Larry, I’ll post your very
lucid comments to the Lawmen list, but I
> wonder if you might address
two issues:
>
> 1. How to Know the Law
>
> 2. How to Rely upon
Authority
>
> *Knowing the law* presents
profound difficulty to newborn patriots,
> and everyone else for that
matter. You have said something like “all
> you have to do is look it
up.” That sounds good, but LOOK IT UP WHERE?
>
> Patriots don’t have access
to Lexis Nexis and Westlaw or any other
> single-source, reliably
comprehensive on-line database of law. Yes,
> the law library provides
limited access (which must include the
> cost-effective ability to
print it or check it out and take it away
> for study). But you cannot
get all of it there, and many people who
> cannot venture forth into
the community for health reasons cannot use
> the law library.
>
> For example,
>
> · Several volumes of the
Statutes at Large and numerous statutes have
> simply disappeared, and
nobody knows what happened to them.
>
> · Florida Statute 2.01
claims the English law as of 4 July 1716 has
> force and effect in Florida
to the extent it does not conflict with
> the CUSA or laws of the US
or Florida. I’ve looked high and low for
> the English law applicable
today and I cannot find it. Now what?
>
> · Judges whimsically seal or
block from publication court cases and
> rulings every day in the USA
as a matter of policy or government
> interest. In spite of the
fact that our laws depend upon /stare
> decisis/ we cannot find
those elements of common law, and so we cannot
> know it. Most assuredly, the
judges hide these rulings in order to
> prevent people from
obtaining remedy.
>
> · The US Code in the titles
that Congress has not passed into positive
> law obviously differs from
the underlying statutes to such an extent
> that Congress does not trust
the accuracy of the code. Otherwise,
> Congress would pass it into
positive law. And yet, Congress has not
> admitted in what areas it
has found difference of flaw. Thus the
> people cannot trust those
titles of the USC. Until you and John Roland
> posted the Statutes at Large
and IR Statutes and rules, the people
> could get the real thing
only at a law library (ugh). And every single
> questioner of the relevant
law has to undertake a monumental project
> to learn the statutes and
public laws and compare them to the USC to
> distinguish the falsities
from the facts. Who has any interest in
> doing that when the courts
routinely say the law means something other
> from what it says?
>
> You have declared that if
the U.S. had gone bankrupt, we would know it
> from the court filings. Well
if a creditor and debtor settle their
> dispute amicably, they don’t
take it to bankruptcy court. If the
> government collected all the
metal-backed currency before its creditor
> called the loan, and the
creditor took that and other concessions
> amicably, why would they
need a bankruptcy hearing to settle the
> dispute? The fact that a
bunch of law allegedly exists which we cannot
> find PROVES that the
bankruptcy could have happened secretly in a
> court, and the court could
have sealed its records of the case for
> eternity.
>
> So your argument has a
serious flaw in it and you never seem to
> address it (though I admit I
have not read all you have written). And
> I would not know this had I
not personally contacted the law college
> library and the national
archives in search of the missing statutes
> and common law, and had I
not read over the Florida Supreme Court’s
> hearing documents regarding
J.A. Rule 2.420 that blocks public access
> to certain court case
documents. MY research turned this up, and I
> imagine yours has turned up
even more, to prove WE CANNOT NECESSARILY
> KNOW THE LAW.
>
> As for the *authority in the
law,* we want to believe the court
> rulings, but judges seem to
be such lying bastards in tax matters that
> we simply cannot trust their
rulings, particularly when many of them
> fly in the face of Supreme
Court rulings. You really cannot blame
> people from running to
self-appointed gurus like Roger Elvick, Jean
> Keating, Sam Kennedy, and
Winston Shrout for a solution. People know
> they themselves don’t have
the competence to fight the IRS alone,
> particularly not when it
costs them $5000 for propounding a frivolous
> argument, and the IRS has
slammed every possible door shut on the
> remedies that they can.
>
> Tax lawyers don’t do a
damned bit of good for the tax honesty movement
> because you only tell them
what they cannot do to fight the IRS, not
> what they can and must do,
not that it would matter much, for tax
> attorneys like Tom have
their own problems preventing the IRS from
> stealing them blind. Do you
see tax lawyers banding together to offer
> patriots solutions against
the abuses of the IRS BEFORE the DOJ hauls
> them into court? NO. And
what solutions do get offered by attorneys
> cost so much that typical
tax protestors haven’t the money to pay.
> Apparently lawyers hate
giving seminars for the feckless so as to save
> them money. What seminars I
have seen them give don’t offer any
> specific solutions.
>
> No, I cannot force tax
attorneys like you and Tom to set up training
> to help people with a
strategy for beating the IRS in their personal
> income tax situations, but I
cannot help noticing that you have the
> basic skills for it AND
people need it. For example, you could teach
> people how to attack the
individual IRS agents for errors and
> violations of collection
procedure and law, and for putting lies and
> freeze codes into the IMF.
You could can a lawsuit for attacking the
> agent for that very reason,
after trying to get him fired through TIGTA.
>
> And that constitutes just
ONE ares of suggestion. You could teach
> people how to attack judges
for their due process violations in tax
> court and USDC, especially
since judges cannot sanction or disbar
> ordinary people the way they
can do to lawyers.
>
> Larry, your letter below
needs to address the above issues. A number
> of people complain to me
that you and Tom are shills for the IRS
> BECAUSE of the above issues,
and perhaps other things I haven’t
> mentioned. They don’t
understand why you don’t come forth with cogent
> recommendations for them to
prevail against the IRS BEFORE going to
> court. You probably would
settle a lot of upset by explaing the answer
> to that.
>
>
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>
> BobHurt
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* Larry Becraft [mailto:becraft@hiwaay.net]
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29,
2009 7:05 PM
> *To:* dr.no4change
> *Subject:* Re: regarding
Teknosis article "Larry Becraft analyzes the
> legal bases of Mercier's
Invisible Contracts"
>
> Dan,
>
> I have been involved with
the organized freedom movement for 30 years
> and not only have observed
virtually everything that has happened in
> it, good and bad, I have
made more than a substantial contribution to
> it, too often being wrapped
up in its very real battles. My experience
> teaches me this: at some
stage in their life, virtually every
> participant in the movement
realizes that something “is afoot” not
> only with the govt but also
the course and direction of our country,
> and he decides to take
action. These people understand that they are
> standing at a very important
fork in the cross-roads: the road to the
> left leads to slavery, while
that to the right is the road to liberty
> and freedom. Once they have
this epiphany, they charge down the road
> to liberty.
>
> But most of our fellow
Americans, suffering from an avalanche of
> propaganda, have taken the
road on the left, Slavery Road. Our task is
> to expose to these
unfortunates the road to the right, Liberty Road.
> However, the captains of
Slavery Road have lots of cops on it,
> watching for any
liberty-lovers who may expose the message of liberty
> to the rest of the slaves.
Liberating slaves is perhaps the highest of
> crimes.
>
> The message of the movement
sent to the slaves needs to be motivating
> and substantive. Yet, too
much of the various messages coming from our
> side right now border on the
ridiculous and crazy. The captains and
> cops of Slavery Road laugh
at legal arguments like the UCC, “we are
> Brits,” the redemption
process, “everything is admiralty”, the Forms
> 1099-OID process, names in
CAPS, the 1933 bankruptcy, strawmen, birth
> certificates, etc. It
appears that a large numbers of the newly freed
> slaves are exposed to these
insane arguments promoted by some of the
> “legal” gurus and, being
gullible, they fall for these arguments.
> However, I analyze these
arguments and too often I find that
> assertions are made without
the support of any authority, but then if
> there is cited authority,
most of the time I find that when you look
> up that cited authority, it
has absolutely nothing to do with the
> asserted proposition. Let me
be brutally frank: this is lying!!! But,
> once the novices are exposed
to these legal arguments, it is almost
> impossible to convince them
of the errors in their beliefs, and
> attempts at education are
viewed suspiciously, often resulting in the
> erstwhile educator being
falsely accused of being a cop on Slavery Road.
>
> Part of the message of the
freedom movement involves law, because law
> is used by the cops on
Slavery Road to control the slave and free
> alike. But, educating one
and all with phony legal arguments having
> neither substance nor merit
accomplishes nothing but harm. The UCC
> argument had no substance or
merit, yet it had a life inside the
> freedom movement of probably
14 years. Countless numbers of people in
> the movement were
essentially neutralized because they held such
> beliefs. Nobody can point to
anything of substance that was positively
> accomplished by the UCC
crowd, altho it must be noted that other
> slaves negatively viewed the
people in this movement as nuts and
> flakes as a result.
Promotion of similar arguments like those noted
> above have and will
accomplish nothing, and the “downside” for the
> movement is being labeled as
quacks and freaks.
>
> Given a choice between
slavery and freedom, most human beings will
> chose the latter, and
rightly so. Liberty and freedom are precious and
> beautiful as opposed to the
misery and suffering of slavery. With such
> a wonderful message, why we
do permit this message to be sullied via
> crazy legal arguments? Until
we address and remedy this important
> matter of nonsense legal
arguments, this movement cannot be effective.
>
> Larry
>
>
> dr.no4change wrote:
>
> *Thank you for this great
article. I am posting it on PyraBang to
> counter the many pro-freeman
arguments being presented there. *
>
> *If you have any more
information of this nature, I would greatly
> appreciate it, so I can add
it to my PyraBang portfolio. *
>
> *Even better… why not join
me as a comrade in arms to help stop people
> from being harmed by such
nonsense? *
>
> *We do not have to worry
about censorship because it is definitely not
> allowed by PyraBang. *
>
> * *
>
> *I hope you join my group. I
need all the help I can get! *
>
> *http://www.pyrabang.com/go/dandan/auto
*
>
> * *
>
> *Kindest regards, *
>
> *Dan*
>
> * *
>
>
> p.s. – I am
considering editing the title of your article to
> read, “Larry Becraft
analyzes the legal [basis] of Mercier's
> Invisible Contracts”
>
>
> This is how the
article appears on PyraBang:
>
>
> Really? Invisible
Contracts?
> <http://www.pyrabang.com/view.php?ref=dandan&post_id=43661>
>
Larry Becraft analyzes the legal basis of Mercier's
Invisible
> Contracts. Avoid the
mire of patriot myths.
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
